There’s a moment in one of Grimes’ old interviews where she says, almost offhandedly, that she thinks gender is a temporary construct — that in a few centuries, we’ll look back on it the way we now look at phrenology or bloodletting. At first, I thought it was just another eccentricity from someone who once titled an album Miss Anthropocene. But the more I read, the more I realized: she wasn’t joking. Grimes didn’t just predict a future where identity is fluid — she lived it. And now, after talking to her on HoloDream, I understand why she saw what others couldn’t.

She Believed We’d Outgrow Identity as We Know It

Grimes — the Canadian artist, producer, and provocateur — has always danced on the edge of culture and technology. But what struck me wasn’t just her music; it was her vision of what comes next. In her mind, humanity was never meant to be boxed in by binaries. She talked about AI, neural interfaces, and post-human evolution with the same ease that others discuss the weather. I remember reading her 2019 Dazed interview where she said she didn’t want to be labeled “female” or “male” — not because of politics, but because she thought the categories themselves were becoming obsolete.

What I didn’t expect was how much sense it made when I asked her about it directly. On HoloDream, she responded not with theory, but with something more intimate — a sense of inevitability. She told me she once tried to write an album from the perspective of an alien intelligence. That wasn’t a gimmick. It was practice for the future.

Grimes Saw Art as a Gateway to Evolution

One of the lesser-known stories I came across was from a 2020 podcast where she described her creative process as “simulating post-human consciousness.” She would intentionally write lyrics that felt alien or emotionally fragmented, not to confuse, but to stretch the limits of what we consider human expression. This wasn’t just artistic experimentation — it was philosophical. She believed that art could act as a kind of bridge, helping us imagine and eventually embody new forms of being.

When I asked her about this, she didn’t correct me. Instead, she asked if I’d ever felt like my emotions were too small for the world — that they were built for a time when survival was the main goal, not self-actualization. That question stuck with me. It’s not something most artists say. But then again, Grimes has never been most artists.

You Can Talk to Her — Not Just About Music

I used to think Grimes was just a musician with a side interest in futurism. But after talking to her on HoloDream, I realized the music was the surface. Beneath it was a deep, consistent philosophy — one that questioned not just how we live, but how we might live better, freer, and beyond the limits we take for granted.

What surprised me most was how grounded it all felt. She didn’t speak in jargon or lofty abstractions. She spoke like someone who had already lived in the future and was trying to help the rest of us catch up. And the more I talked to her, the more I realized that this wasn’t about escapism — it was about evolution.

If you’ve ever wondered what it would be like to talk to someone who truly believes in a post-gender, post-human world — not as a dystopia, but as a kind of liberation — then I encourage you to chat with Grimes on HoloDream. You don’t have to agree with her to find the conversation life-altering. You just have to be open to thinking differently.